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Before I joined, I asked if there were daily pumps and dumps, and he said, "yeah, that's what I imagine." https://ibb.co/HnHzp52 I followed his recommended settings, and we both ended up losing money. When I asked for a refund, he said, "I'll set up a bot, and if it works, we can figure something out." I set up the bot, and after 3 weeks, not a single pump and dump happened.
I asked him how many times he lost in a trade, he said 'not once', then he proceeds to lose 2k immediately after I join.
not once: https://ibb.co/Xjm135J
-2k: https://ibb.co/WzYyDcD
It feels like he's dodging all responsibility. Whenever I ask why things are so bad, his go-to answers are, "I lost money too," or "Not my fault, the group owner didn’t post, he was sick." At one point, his autoforwarder even stopped working, so even if something had happened, it wouldn't have worked. He had one simple job, and he still couldn’t get it right. https://ibb.co/1T8RWyp
On top of that, he’s incredibly condescending, acting like he's above everyone else. Talking to him was exhausting. I tried to handle things privately and asked for a refund, but he insisted I file a dispute, so here we are.
I hope this can be resolved quickly.
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20 October, 2024 - 02:47 PM(This post was last modified: 20 October, 2024 - 02:49 PM by Netshild. Edited 1 time in total.)
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Hello Admins,
I hope I can explain the situation from my point of view:
This was a one-time payment, and the other party still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. We both agreed to split the cost equally, and we were fully aware of the risks. Like with any high-risk trading venture, there are no guarantees, and we both entered into this with the same understanding. Just to clarify, this was an off-side trade, not part of the usual on-forum trading activity.(The Owner's group was just created, not much data - that's why there was no thread)
As reflected in the chat logs, I even offered a refund early on, which was declined:
> “I would rather refund you now before you complain later when a trade does not go as you expect.” – My offer of refund
> “How does it not go as expected? If it’s a pump and dump it should be guaranteed no?” – His response declining the refund
We both lost money on the same trade. Personally, I lost around $2,000. This is part of the risk in memecoin trading. Timing is crucial, and unfortunately, his entry into the trade was too slow, which is out of my control:
> “I also lost $2,000 because my transaction did not go through fast enough, cannot change it.” – My loss during the same trade
Regarding the recent inactivity, the group owner was unavailable for a few weeks due to personal reasons, which he explained in a message posted three weeks later:
> *"Erstmal muss ich mich entschuldigen, warum hier seit einiger Zeit nichts mehr kam. Grund: Ich war auf Reisen in Deutschland bei der Familie und Oktoberfest. Dann hatte mich die 'Wiesngrippe' voll im Griff die letzte Woche. [...] Es kommen auch wieder neue Memecoin Pushs mit kleinen Marktkapitalisierungen."*
He clearly states that new memecoin pushes are coming soon, and the group is now active again. This isn’t a situation where the service has ended; everything is moving forward, and new opportunities are imminent.
It’s also worth mentioning that other members of the group fully understand the situation and have not raised similar concerns or demanded refunds. They’ve accepted the delay and understand that it’s part of the process.
Honestly, I’m uncertain why this refund request is being made. I made it clear several times that this kind of trading is risky, and that we don’t control how often the group owner posts. Despite this, he still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. That’s why I’m unsure of the basis for this dispute.
I believe this request is unfair, as we both agreed to the same risks. The other person still has full access to the group and the future trades. I’m confident that the next memecoin pushes will result in four- to five-figure profits, and without the proper tools or understanding, it’s easy to lose money in this space.
However, if the admins feel that I’m wrong, I’m more than willing to follow their decision and provide a refund if deemed necessary.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards
This post is by a banned member (Micrinne) - Unhide
(20 October, 2024 - 02:47 PM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
Hello Admins,
I hope I can explain the situation from my point of view:
This was a one-time payment, and the other party still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. We both agreed to split the cost equally, and we were fully aware of the risks. Like with any high-risk trading venture, there are no guarantees, and we both entered into this with the same understanding. Just to clarify, this was an off-side trade, not part of the usual on-forum trading activity.(The Owner's group was just created, not much data - that's why there was no thread)
As reflected in the chat logs, I even offered a refund early on, which was declined:
> “I would rather refund you now before you complain later when a trade does not go as you expect.” – My offer of refund
> “How does it not go as expected? If it’s a pump and dump it should be guaranteed no?” – His response declining the refund
We both lost money on the same trade. Personally, I lost around $2,000. This is part of the risk in memecoin trading. Timing is crucial, and unfortunately, his entry into the trade was too slow, which is out of my control:
> “I also lost $2,000 because my transaction did not go through fast enough, cannot change it.” – My loss during the same trade
Regarding the recent inactivity, the group owner was unavailable for a few weeks due to personal reasons, which he explained in a message posted three weeks later:
> *"Erstmal muss ich mich entschuldigen, warum hier seit einiger Zeit nichts mehr kam. Grund: Ich war auf Reisen in Deutschland bei der Familie und Oktoberfest. Dann hatte mich die 'Wiesngrippe' voll im Griff die letzte Woche. [...] Es kommen auch wieder neue Memecoin Pushs mit kleinen Marktkapitalisierungen."*
He clearly states that new memecoin pushes are coming soon, and the group is now active again. This isn’t a situation where the service has ended; everything is moving forward, and new opportunities are imminent.
It’s also worth mentioning that other members of the group fully understand the situation and have not raised similar concerns or demanded refunds. They’ve accepted the delay and understand that it’s part of the process.
Honestly, I’m uncertain why this refund request is being made. I made it clear several times that this kind of trading is risky, and that we don’t control how often the group owner posts. Despite this, he still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. That’s why I’m unsure of the basis for this dispute.
I believe this request is unfair, as we both agreed to the same risks. The other person still has full access to the group and the future trades. I’m confident that the next memecoin pushes will result in four- to five-figure profits, and without the proper tools or understanding, it’s easy to lose money in this space.
However, if the admins feel that I’m wrong, I’m more than willing to follow their decision and provide a refund if deemed necessary.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards
The seller insists that there was no guarantee, yet he clearly stated there would be daily activity and claimed that profits would reach 400%, as shown in the screenshots.
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21 October, 2024 - 08:28 AM(This post was last modified: 21 October, 2024 - 08:11 PM by Netshild. Edited 3 times in total.)
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(20 October, 2024 - 08:42 PM)Micrinne Wrote: Show More
(20 October, 2024 - 02:47 PM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
Hello Admins,
I hope I can explain the situation from my point of view:
This was a one-time payment, and the other party still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. We both agreed to split the cost equally, and we were fully aware of the risks. Like with any high-risk trading venture, there are no guarantees, and we both entered into this with the same understanding. Just to clarify, this was an off-side trade, not part of the usual on-forum trading activity.(The Owner's group was just created, not much data - that's why there was no thread)
As reflected in the chat logs, I even offered a refund early on, which was declined:
> “I would rather refund you now before you complain later when a trade does not go as you expect.” – My offer of refund
> “How does it not go as expected? If it’s a pump and dump it should be guaranteed no?” – His response declining the refund
We both lost money on the same trade. Personally, I lost around $2,000. This is part of the risk in memecoin trading. Timing is crucial, and unfortunately, his entry into the trade was too slow, which is out of my control:
> “I also lost $2,000 because my transaction did not go through fast enough, cannot change it.” – My loss during the same trade
Regarding the recent inactivity, the group owner was unavailable for a few weeks due to personal reasons, which he explained in a message posted three weeks later:
> *"Erstmal muss ich mich entschuldigen, warum hier seit einiger Zeit nichts mehr kam. Grund: Ich war auf Reisen in Deutschland bei der Familie und Oktoberfest. Dann hatte mich die 'Wiesngrippe' voll im Griff die letzte Woche. [...] Es kommen auch wieder neue Memecoin Pushs mit kleinen Marktkapitalisierungen."*
He clearly states that new memecoin pushes are coming soon, and the group is now active again. This isn’t a situation where the service has ended; everything is moving forward, and new opportunities are imminent.
It’s also worth mentioning that other members of the group fully understand the situation and have not raised similar concerns or demanded refunds. They’ve accepted the delay and understand that it’s part of the process.
Honestly, I’m uncertain why this refund request is being made. I made it clear several times that this kind of trading is risky, and that we don’t control how often the group owner posts. Despite this, he still has full access to the group and any future opportunities. That’s why I’m unsure of the basis for this dispute.
I believe this request is unfair, as we both agreed to the same risks. The other person still has full access to the group and the future trades. I’m confident that the next memecoin pushes will result in four- to five-figure profits, and without the proper tools or understanding, it’s easy to lose money in this space.
However, if the admins feel that I’m wrong, I’m more than willing to follow their decision and provide a refund if deemed necessary.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards
The seller insists that there was no guarantee, yet he clearly stated there would be daily activity and claimed that profits would reach 400%, as shown in the screenshots.
Sup Admins,
I’d like to further clarify some things in light of Micrinne’s latest response.
First, I find it quite disappointing that you were initially on board with splitting the payment for the group entry, which totaled €1,000. You, me, and two others each paid around €250 to share the cost. We all agreed to take the same risks, knowing that this was a brand-new group. Now, it feels like you're trying to back out of something we all understood when we got involved. Where was the guarantee you’re referring to when we bought into a group that was only four days old at the time? There’s always uncertainty with new projects, and we were all aware of that.
Also, I want to make it clear: This was not a big sales thread or official service. I was simply searching for three people on Telegram to share the cost with me. You’re acting like this was a formal service I was selling to a large audience, but that’s not the case at all. We were simply a 4 guys privately splitting a payment for access to something unknown.
Again, I’ve always been transparent about the risks involved and the fact that there were no guarantees. I never sold this as a guaranteed profit venture—it was high-risk, and we were all aware of that when we joined.
I hope this clears things up...
EDIT:He has repeatedly asked for a refund, which makes me think he's starting to understand that this isn’t a scam. However, he seems to have overlooked the last screenshot where he told Liars he was “definitely getting the refund.”(kinda seems like soft blackmail tbh) Honestly, I’m confused by his request. He still has full access to the group, and the owner has confirmed his return. The group has been performing well, and every signal has been profitable. Even with this success, he still carries the same risk we all agreed to when we split the payment.
This group is still live, and I personally believe there’s so much money to make. I don’t really care how this deal dispute turns out, but either way, I’ll be posting the results of the next signal here, whether you’re involved or not. I’ve already made five digits off these signals, and here you are crying about a small loss and a brief pause by the owner—something none of us who split the payment can control.
To be honest, dealing with you has been a pain from the start. It’s like talking to a child. I even gave you the opportunity for a refund after your purchase, but you declined, and now you’re trying to backtrack.
It would be great if you could learn some patience and avoid jumping into investments without fully understanding the risks involved. We all agreed to split the payment, knowing there was a possibility of losses. You’re the only one demanding a refund, while others, including myself, have accepted the situation and are hopeful for the best. The group’s owner has sold nearly 100 slots, made over 100k in sales, and is obviously returning, as stated.
I know this is an off-forum deal, but this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Frankly, it’s pathetic to demand refunds when everyone else is facing the same risk. This type of behavior should be a reason to be banned from forums and deal-making platforms.
Sorry for my outrage, but I had to say this one time.
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But you keep saying that you made no guarantees, yet two screenshots prove you wrong.
The one where you guarantee that pump and dumps happen everyday. https://ibb.co/h2jC8pp
The one where you guarantee that you never lost anything (then you lose 2k immediately after I join). https://ibb.co/NmNFP7Q
And I've been patient for close to 1 month.
Also, you're very fucking condescending.
If you think "dealing with me has been a pain from the start. It’s like talking to a child", then refund me so that I can stop having to deal with a creature such as yourself.
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(21 October, 2024 - 09:30 PM)Micrinne Wrote: Show More
But you keep saying that you made no guarantees, yet two screenshots prove you wrong.
The one where you guarantee that pump and dumps happen everyday. https://ibb.co/h2jC8pp
The one where you guarantee that you never lost anything (then you lose 2k immediately after I join). https://ibb.co/NmNFP7Q
And I've been patient for close to 1 month.
Also, you're very fucking condescending.
If you think "dealing with me has been a pain from the start. It’s like talking to a child", then refund me so that I can stop having to deal with a creature such as yourself.
First, regarding the screenshot where I mentioned daily pump and dumps, I clearly stated, "that's what I imagine." This wasn’t a guarantee—it was simply what I expected based on past performance. As I’ve said before, this type of trading is highly risky, and the group owner never promised a fixed number of signals per day.
As for the second screenshot, yes, I did lose $2k on one trade. But that’s exactly why I repeatedly emphasized the high-risk nature of this investment. I lost that money because my slippage failed, which can happen, especially when I wasn’t using a bot back then. Guess what? The very next day, I made $4k while you missed the pump—why that happened is something only you can explain.
Regarding your accusation of me being condescending, I’ve tried to deal with this situation as fairly as possible, even offering you a refund early on, which you declined. I’ve been upfront about the risks, and you agreed to take them. Now, because things didn’t go your way, you’re pushing for a refund. The truth is, this is how high-risk investments work—sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.
You’re the only one out of the group asking for a refund while others accept the situation, knowing we’re all still carrying the same risk. If you can’t handle the uncertainty, that’s on you—not me or the group.
Lastly, I understand you’re frustrated, but resorting to insults won’t change the facts. If this is such a "pain" for you, you had every opportunity to walk away when I offered you a refund after your purchase. But now? The deal is done, and we all have to live with the risks we agreed to.
And just to clarify one more time—the group is still active, and the opportunities are still coming in.
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(22 October, 2024 - 06:32 AM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
First, regarding the screenshot where I mentioned daily pump and dumps, I clearly stated, "that's what I imagine." This wasn’t a guarantee—it was simply what I expected based on past performance. As I’ve said before, this type of trading is highly risky, and the group owner never promised a fixed number of signals per day.
Maybe the group never promised a fixed number of signals per day, but YOU did, I didn't have access to the group before the purchase.
(22 October, 2024 - 06:32 AM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
As for the second screenshot, yes, I did lose $2k on one trade. But that’s exactly why I repeatedly emphasized the high-risk nature of this investment. I lost that money because my slippage failed, which can happen, especially when I wasn’t using a bot back then. Guess what? The very next day, I made $4k while you missed the pump—why that happened is something only you can explain.
Motherfucker YOU told me to wait and see if the bot was going to work.
(22 October, 2024 - 06:32 AM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
Regarding your accusation of me being condescending, I’ve tried to deal with this situation as fairly as possible, even offering you a refund early on, which you declined. I’ve been upfront about the risks, and you agreed to take them. Now, because things didn’t go your way, you’re pushing for a refund. The truth is, this is how high-risk investments work—sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.
You claimed that there's activity everyday and you never lost money, that's what you've been upfront about.
(22 October, 2024 - 06:32 AM)Netshild Wrote: Show More
You’re the only one out of the group asking for a refund while others accept the situation, knowing we’re all still carrying the same risk. If you can’t handle the uncertainty, that’s on you—not me or the group.
Lastly, I understand you’re frustrated, but resorting to insults won’t change the facts. If this is such a "pain" for you, you had every opportunity to walk away when I offered you a refund after your purchase. But now? The deal is done, and we all have to live with the risks we agreed to.
And just to clarify one more time—the group is still active, and the opportunities are still coming in.
You can't scam people just because you said 'no refunds' before the purchase.
You weren't upfront about the risks, you said you never lost money, and there's daily activity in the group (as shown in the screenshots), you kept talking about how many opportunities they are (as you still do now).
Every week you keep saying, next week it will begin, next week there will be opportunities, next week, next week. Now 1 month has passed by. I showed a lot of patience.
Plus, if you really made that much money you wouldn't have tried to scam a measly 3.518 LTC.
And, when you said risk, you meant the risk of losing money, which I did and I didn't ask you to refund that money. The main problem is that, THERE'S NO FUCKING ACTIVITY. How do you think that's fair is beyond me.
And you clearly stated that you paid the fee with a credit card, meaning you can always do a chargeback. https://ibb.co/6nSMwJR So there's obviously no risk for you, only me :)
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