Scam report against @tgvs | $500 (ZenBusiness Money Pro+Banking)

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Scammers Profile Link: https://cracked.io/tgvs
Sales Thread:I'm contacting people daily on different occasions, he contacted me on tg without mentioning that his is the thread about, until he decided he started pretending to get refunded, then he mentioned it. it seems this is the thread regarding the accounts he is looking to buy: https://cracked.io/Thread-WTB-Merchant-a...Other-Bank
Amount or Item(s) Scammed: Zen Business Money Pro + Banking Account.
Screenshots of Communication: https://imgur.com/a/8yNGKoD
Additional Information:
So, the dude contacted me on telegram, asking for ZEN Account and I have informed him that I have Zen Personal or ZenBusiness.COM (Which is not Zen.com provider) accounts for sale. Then he decided to buy off the ZenBusiness.COM account from me and we decided to use Sqre as middleman, once the funds were received by the MM I have provided the account, we have completely changed the credentials to his personal ones, I helped him to setup 2FA on his phone and 30 minutes later, he came up with the idea of asking for refund, because the ZENBUSINESS.COM doesn't accepts IDEAL as payment source. First of all I didn't know he's looking only for IDEAL Payment providers (Because as I mentioned I didn't knew that this is the thread about), second I have strictly mentioned that it's not from zen.com platform but different zen (zenbusiness.com) which he , himself didn't gotten informed if they do accept ideals or not before proceed to any further deal. Third: I cannot take account back after changing everything to his personal information (Which is done trough the support, because in this platform this is the only way) and Fourth I cannot take responsibility of what he had done, had tried to do with the account and or if he failed to do and then started asking to get refunded. I won't risk getting the account back and try selling it to third person which will lead to impairment of my reputation or marking me as a scam, which I'm not trying to be.
He pretended to open this DD and get his money back. I have informed him if admins decide in his favour that he will get his money back, but if the admins decide in my favour i'm not getting my account back, why is that I'll let you decide.

P.S Forgot to add that I haven't mentioned the zenbusiness.com as response on his buyers thread. I believe that I made it clear to buyer that this is not the usual zen.com merchant or zen.com business accounts and this is a different platform.
Crypto address for a refund:
MM Sqre still holds the funds. Upon decision of the administrators funds will be released to the Buyer or me.

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Thank you for opening this Dispute. 


Right from the start, I made it super clear that I wanted an IDEAL payment option. I asked FuryTate multiple times, during our Telegram conversation (Attachment 2) for clarification, just to make sure we were on the same page. He even responded to my thread (Attachment 1), so I thought we were good.
 
I tried my best to resolve things between us, but we couldn't figure it out. So I suggested going through the deal dispute process. And you know what? FuryTate agreed to it, as you can see in the last screenshots of the IMGUR album.
 
But now FuryTate is saying I "pretended" to start the dispute. Seriously? I was the one who brought it up in the first place! It's frustrating to see this misunderstanding.
 
I hope the deal dispute brings a fair judgment. I believe in open communication and finding a solution that works for everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed for a resolution.


Attachments of the clarifications from my end:

As mentioned in my thread that you already linked, i am looking for an IDEAL processing payment solution, you replied with this:

ATTACHMENT 1 THREAD: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX

After that i asked for clarification MULTIPLE TIMES in the telegram chat

ATTACHMENT 2: TELEGRAM https://prnt.sc/oVXLIPq_UlgY

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Thank you for opening this Dispute. 


Right from the start, I made it super clear that I wanted an IDEAL payment option. I asked FuryTate multiple times, during our Telegram conversation (Attachment 2) for clarification, just to make sure we were on the same page. He even responded to my thread (Attachment 1), so I thought we were good.
 
I tried my best to resolve things between us, but we couldn't figure it out. So I suggested going through the deal dispute process. And you know what? FuryTate agreed to it, as you can see in the last screenshots of the IMGUR album.
 
But now FuryTate is saying I "pretended" to start the dispute. Seriously? I was the one who brought it up in the first place! It's frustrating to see this misunderstanding.
 
I hope the deal dispute brings a fair judgment. I believe in open communication and finding a solution that works for everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed for a resolution.


Attachments of the clarifications from my end:

As mentioned in my thread that you already linked, i am looking for an IDEAL processing payment solution, you replied with this:

ATTACHMENT 1 THREAD: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX

After that i asked for clarification MULTIPLE TIMES in the telegram chat

ATTACHMENT 2: TELEGRAM https://prnt.sc/oVXLIPq_UlgY

P.S Forgot to add that I haven't mentioned the zenbusiness.com as response on his buyers thread. I believe that I made it clear to buyer that this is not the usual zen.com merchant or zen.com business accounts and this is a different platform.

The whole conversation is uploaded, there is no need of lies.
Even in the group you tried to slip with the fact that I have replied "Sure" That's why in my proofs you can see that I have clarified "This is not regarding if the product offers Ideal payments, but that I agree with you that you wish to buy the zenbusiness account" The end of our conversation proves my ignorance , as you can see my texts "I didn't knew if that platform supports Ideal payments"

In your Attachment 1: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX
I have mentioned that I have Zen Merchant, Stripe, Bunq. I haven't mentioned in your thread that I have ZenBusiness.COM to offer. I did clarified later on in our chat, where I mentioned that this is completely different platform, which you should've gotten informed before you pay 500$ for it

I cannot take responsibility of what have you done, tried to do with my account and if you failed or succeed and then decided to simply get your money back after having full access over it. I can't take this account back, because simply I cannot risk to sell it to another person and mark my name as fishy seller or scammer.

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Thank you for opening this Dispute. 


Right from the start, I made it super clear that I wanted an IDEAL payment option. I asked FuryTate multiple times, during our Telegram conversation (Attachment 2) for clarification, just to make sure we were on the same page. He even responded to my thread (Attachment 1), so I thought we were good.
 
I tried my best to resolve things between us, but we couldn't figure it out. So I suggested going through the deal dispute process. And you know what? FuryTate agreed to it, as you can see in the last screenshots of the IMGUR album.
 
But now FuryTate is saying I "pretended" to start the dispute. Seriously? I was the one who brought it up in the first place! It's frustrating to see this misunderstanding.
 
I hope the deal dispute brings a fair judgment. I believe in open communication and finding a solution that works for everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed for a resolution.


Attachments of the clarifications from my end:

As mentioned in my thread that you already linked, i am looking for an IDEAL processing payment solution, you replied with this:

ATTACHMENT 1 THREAD: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX

After that i asked for clarification MULTIPLE TIMES in the telegram chat

ATTACHMENT 2: TELEGRAM https://prnt.sc/oVXLIPq_UlgY

P.S Forgot to add that I haven't mentioned the zenbusiness.com as response on his buyers thread. I believe that I made it clear to buyer that this is not the usual zen.com merchant or zen.com business accounts and this is a different platform.

The whole conversation is uploaded, there is no need of lies.
Even in the group you tried to slip with the fact that I have replied "Sure" That's why in my proofs you can see that I have clarified "This is not regarding if the product offers Ideal payments, but that I agree with you that you wish to buy the zenbusiness account" The end of our conversation proves my ignorance , as you can see my texts "I didn't knew if that platform supports Ideal payments"

In your Attachment 1: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX
I have mentioned that I have Zen Merchant, Stripe, Bunq. I haven't mentioned in your thread that I have ZenBusiness.COM to offer. I did clarified later on in our chat, where I mentioned that this is completely different platform, which you should've gotten informed before you pay 500$ for it

I cannot take responsibility of what have you done, tried to do with my account and if you failed or succeed and then decided to simply get your money back after having full access over it. I can't take this account back, because simply I cannot risk to sell it to another person and mark my name as fishy seller or scammer.

The fact that you even need to state how that "Sure" is intended to be interpreted by a reader (me, in this case). Shows that you already know that the confusion is caused by your end. I am done with wasting my time by commenting on this, lets the mods decide and hope that we can find a solutions that is satisfactorily for both.

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Thank you for opening this Dispute. 


Right from the start, I made it super clear that I wanted an IDEAL payment option. I asked FuryTate multiple times, during our Telegram conversation (Attachment 2) for clarification, just to make sure we were on the same page. He even responded to my thread (Attachment 1), so I thought we were good.
 
I tried my best to resolve things between us, but we couldn't figure it out. So I suggested going through the deal dispute process. And you know what? FuryTate agreed to it, as you can see in the last screenshots of the IMGUR album.
 
But now FuryTate is saying I "pretended" to start the dispute. Seriously? I was the one who brought it up in the first place! It's frustrating to see this misunderstanding.
 
I hope the deal dispute brings a fair judgment. I believe in open communication and finding a solution that works for everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed for a resolution.


Attachments of the clarifications from my end:

As mentioned in my thread that you already linked, i am looking for an IDEAL processing payment solution, you replied with this:

ATTACHMENT 1 THREAD: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX

After that i asked for clarification MULTIPLE TIMES in the telegram chat

ATTACHMENT 2: TELEGRAM https://prnt.sc/oVXLIPq_UlgY

P.S Forgot to add that I haven't mentioned the zenbusiness.com as response on his buyers thread. I believe that I made it clear to buyer that this is not the usual zen.com merchant or zen.com business accounts and this is a different platform.

The whole conversation is uploaded, there is no need of lies.
Even in the group you tried to slip with the fact that I have replied "Sure" That's why in my proofs you can see that I have clarified "This is not regarding if the product offers Ideal payments, but that I agree with you that you wish to buy the zenbusiness account" The end of our conversation proves my ignorance , as you can see my texts "I didn't knew if that platform supports Ideal payments"

In your Attachment 1: https://prnt.sc/0anhinuURvoX
I have mentioned that I have Zen Merchant, Stripe, Bunq. I haven't mentioned in your thread that I have ZenBusiness.COM to offer. I did clarified later on in our chat, where I mentioned that this is completely different platform, which you should've gotten informed before you pay 500$ for it

I cannot take responsibility of what have you done, tried to do with my account and if you failed or succeed and then decided to simply get your money back after having full access over it. I can't take this account back, because simply I cannot risk to sell it to another person and mark my name as fishy seller or scammer.

The fact that you even need to state how that "Sure" is intended to be interpreted by a reader (me, in this case). Shows that you already know that the confusion is caused by your end. I am done with wasting my time by commenting on this, lets the mods decide and hope that we can find a solutions that is satisfactorily for both.

The fact that you stated it straight away after you asked for refund how that "Sure" is intended to be interpreted by a reader (me, in this case). Shows that you already know that the confusion is caused by your end.

I'm just playing your stupid game. I really don't believe you will get off this that easily, but let's see. Ofc that is what you're gonna turn it out into, because it works in your favour, but the truth is, that i have been agreeing with you on what you're about to get.

It's not about the money. I've been making that sum on daily basis, the issue is you may get your money back, but this account can't be used and or sold no more,  thanks to you. Even if you "Return it" as you mentioned after "You haven't used it" but kept it for that long time ,before you started with all this bullshit and complaining about getting refunded I don't have any purpose of getting this account back. That's why I am selling my account with only LOGIN WARRANTY, because i am not responsible of what "You" people are doing with it. Everyone can get account , use it for various bs and then simply "Return" it to me. That's definitely not how it works.

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Update: 

I have just received a call to my Hushed number (that was/is linked to the above account) that the Money pro account has been refunded. This means that regardless of the outcome of this Dispute that the account is unusable (if either i wanted to resell it or OP wants to resell it again)

My Proton mail linked to the account shows the following refunds as well (see chat logs for the proof that this is my proton account)

Refund 1: https://prnt.sc/5KXAXUfC_RtG
Refund 2: https://prnt.sc/nZspYwXRyUop

Transcribed call (original available upon request)

Hello, Mr. Armstrong, this is Natalie calling you back with Zen Business. I was just calling to confirm that both of the Zen Business Money Pro charges have been canceled and refunded. It's a $600 total, so it will be back in your bank account in the next five days. I was just calling to confirm that they have been canceled and refunded. If you have any questions, please give us a call back at 1-844-493-6249. Thank you. Bye-bye.

I see no reason why this DD shouldn't be closed in my favor, especially now the (wrong) delivered account is being closed / downgraded.

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Update: 

I have just received a call to my Hushed number (that was/is linked to the above account) that the Money pro account has been refunded. This means that regardless of the outcome of this Dispute that the account is unusable (if either i wanted to resell it or OP wants to resell it again)

My Proton mail linked to the account shows the following refunds as well (see chat logs for the proof that this is my proton account)

Refund 1: https://prnt.sc/5KXAXUfC_RtG
Refund 2: https://prnt.sc/nZspYwXRyUop

Transcribed call (original available upon request)

Hello, Mr. Armstrong, this is Natalie calling you back with Zen Business. I was just calling to confirm that both of the Zen Business Money Pro charges have been canceled and refunded. It's a $600 total, so it will be back in your bank account in the next five days. I was just calling to confirm that they have been canceled and refunded. If you have any questions, please give us a call back at 1-844-493-6249. Thank you. Bye-bye.

I see no reason why this DD shouldn't be closed in my favor, especially now the (wrong) delivered account is being closed / downgraded.

1st of all you just admitted giving the account to 3rd person/looking to resell it , even though there's DD ongoing.

2nd I have no advantage of refunding this, because i'm still waiting for my payment to be made, on other side you do. I don't know if you fucked up with something (If you done something fraud which has leaded to refund, or you have done the refund yourself just to make it look like i'm doing something wrong.) Since the account was on my hands no refunds were issued (The account was in my hands for more than month and a half and i've been offering it for sale since).

"Send screenshot of the banking, it was opened by me and taxed at the same time of the renew of the moneypro was made, if refund for moneypro was issued, there's supposed to be refund for the banking as well, which will close it".
https://ibb.co/5sLhTbq

3rd Money pro is firstly ordered in 2022 with renew subscription, which renewed on 06/02 ( 12 days ago ) How is possible that refund wasn't issued so far, but once you took the account, decided to get refund and didn't worked out for you, days later refund was issued to the payment method showed above?

4th I already mentioned there is nothing that can be done with the account, obviously your friend even tried to contact me and fuck me over with you, once he realised I keep on what I am saying and it's not gonna work , then bailed?
https://ibb.co/S552JC3
https://ibb.co/4p7hyh1
https://ibb.co/2FcM2HC
https://ibb.co/m4DzT7c

Proofs:
https://ibb.co/yd5Wqkm - Ordered on 2022 (Annual)
https://ibb.co/bQD7vH7 - Renewed on 2023
I can send the original emails to administrator.

I continue looking for my money and won't tell mm to release the funds for you. I don't know what this dude is doing with the account, but I don't care anyway. I'm not responsible of that and I want my money to be released asap.


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