Scam report against Beds

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Scammers Profile Link: Cracked.to - Profile of Beds
Sales Thread: deleted
Amount or Item(s) Scammed: 30 euro + 20 pounds + 360euro failed refund
Screenshots of Communication: Our conversation: Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Me and FTID service: Imgur: The magic of the Internet
Additional Information: He struggled with my refund, failed it several times. He told me to purchase FTID service for 20 pounds from Popo (well-known boxer). He gave me "his" BTC address. I made the payment. I received refund confirmation e-mail from Amazon, so I paid @Beds his fee - 30 euro. After that, the refund was declined and @Beds stopped replying to me or even reading my messages.
I talked to Popo (in polish, since we are both Poles). He sent me conversation between them, you can find it in the screenshots. The address @Beds provided me was his own, not Popo's, which means he never actually tried to finish the refund!
After that he closed his refund thread, it's deleted now I suppose.

Long story short, this guy scammed me for $60 and totally failed my refund (they even started police investigation).
I thought he disappeared from the forum, but turns out he is now trying to scam people for Exchange Service (ridiculous!). Please punish this guy.

Crypto address for a refund: 
bc1qjypdq9mlrf4exf37hy6nyhdv9v9pteykwenc6h

*I removed some of my Telegram messages that showed my private information.

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@Beds reply within 24h.

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@Beds reply within 24h.

Hello, 

Thanks for the scam report, he has no valid ground to accuse us of a scamming him for an FTID. We all know what an "FTID" stands for "Fake tracking ID" It doesn't necessarily mean that Amazon receives the package as there are many different FTID methods, one where the package gets lost in transit, one where the package shows as delivered but never arrives at the return centre, then there is one where a package is sent to Amazon but it's empty or filled with any sort of material to match the weight of the original items. Now we never ever specified to this person which FTID method we will use. We simply told them that we will use the FTID method and they will pay an additional fee for it. Whatever we do with that fee is our choice, we can choose to receive it in our own wallet or if we're using a 3rd party service we can choose to get the funds sent to them directly. And once again we did not specify any FTID method. We simply said "FTID" and keep the methods to ourselves.



Now, this client has already confirmed with their own screenshot that they provided: "Alright thank you. I wondered because I received a refund confirmation for a partial refund (that we agreed on), but on the account, I can see only the full refund process"

Then shortly after that, the client has stated: "It seems that they cancelled the partial refund and await the package to arrive"
And the final message in this screenshot: "Are you able to do something with it or do we need to wait? I don't know what to do honestly"

So from these messages, you can extrapolate whatever opinion you'd like, but to us here are our thoughts on it; First, the client has confirmed that they've received a partial refund as we agreed upon, then the client has confirmed that they've cancelled the refund and now await for the package to arrive, this tells us the refund was unsuccessful and Amazon has seen a red flag and now are checking the package to confirm they've received it and upon verification that the package and the correct item has been returned to them they will reinstate the refund as they first gave the client a refund and confirmed it but then cancelled for whatever suspicion they may have had or unveiled. Now you must understand that an FTID works on the basis of "return" being initiated. You must start a return to then complete an FTID, you cannot simply go to Amazon > orders > and click on "return" item and they will then give you a return label and also send you a refund confirmation along with a refund being shown in your Amazon account, it does not work like that. You initiate a return for whatever order you'd like to "return" and then they supply you with a return label and once you've returned the item and they've gotten some sort of proof of Tracking ID that delivery has been made or if the package has been scanned at the return centre then they will issue a refund, the company isn't handing out refunds without the customer returning the item or giving some sort of proof that the item has been returned e.g. "Fake tracking ID in the form of a tracking link or a screenshot or a tracking number" Or alternatively depending on the FTID method they also issue a refund once the parcel has arrived at the Amazon return centre and it's been scanned. This is what a successful FTID Refund is. Now please elaborate to us, how this client has received a refund confirmation via Amazon in his Amazon mailbox on his Amazon account and also an email to his email address confirming a refund. If we haven't successfully completed the FTID, we must've done something to get Amazon to issue a refund without the client actually returning the item. With Popo and his service, it's our choice to use a 3rd party service is we want, we don't only work with one boxer or service provider and we don't have to work with one. Nor do we have to go ahead with them. We require an FTID fee to be paid to us if the FTID method needs to be used, he has simply paid us for an FTID fee. No FTID was specified as we stated before, no method was disclosed, nothing was given. The transaction was smooth and understood as much as it needed to be from both parties. 

Moving on: Now adding the refund amount as us "scamming" you, first of all, we have never ever stated anywhere that we can 100% guarantee your refund. Not on our thread, not in private messages, and not in any group. You choose to use our service, you make that decision and know the risks. If your refund fails we can emphasise with you, but that does not mean you can call us scammers or accuse us of scamming and try to put your entire order amount on us. Our input on this is clear: You approached us for a refund, we started your order, we charged you for an FTID, we completed the refund and Amazon gave you a refund confirmation via your email and Amazon mailbox, after that our job is done, we charged you for the refund fee once you received a refund confirmation, you yourself are not a child nor an idiot, you shouldn't pay us a refund fee if you haven't received the refund confirmation. 

Now after 3-7 days you did not receive the refund amount to your payment method, you then contacted us and we gave you the exact words to write in your email response so that you do not add anything more or leave anything less out of the email response. You've also proven that with your own screenshot, we gave you a text and instructed you to copy and paste it into the email and send it to them. We assume you did so. 

OUTCOME: the outcome is that Amazon cancelled the refund and let you know that they are going to wait for the package to arrive and confirm it, then they will issue a refund. In other words, the refund is failed. 

Important information: Now you mentioned that "Amazon even opened a police investigation" Now while we handled the order and did everything there was no police investigation, if there was a police investigation at the time I'm sure you would have come running to us and tell us right? But no that confirms there was no police investigation. If the refund fails and you've already paid the refund fee as prior to Amazon cancelling the refund they first issued it and gave you a confirmation, so it was reasonable for all of us to assume that the refund is confirmed if the company confirms it and now its time for you to pay up the fee, which you did. But after 1-2 weeks, they cancelled the refund for whatever reason. And at this point you need to contact us again and tell us the full scope instead of accusing us of scamming you for an FTID worth 20 Euros when we gave 10 Euro back to Popo for no reason it may as well be a donation, if we wanted to scam you so badly for an FTID worth 20 Euro we wouldn't be giving away donations (screenshot below) We do compensate and emphasise with clients, but not if they accuse us straight up and take bad routes. Furthermore, if you'd like us to refund you the refund fee you paid, you need to give us access to your Amazon account or a third party from this site to make sure you haven't interfered with Amazon afterwards yourself, as you were told not to say or do anything on your own. We would give you a refund for the fee which is absolutely reasonable and undeniable if we were unable to refund your item you should not have to pay the fee, but it's also reasonable to make sure that you haven't interfered with the refund or the order in any way as you're stating they started a "police investigation" if the last thing we spoke about was them waiting on the item arriving at their return centre how has the police now been involved? or a Police investigation... We cover our own mess and compensate for our own failures, not yours or your liabilities. 

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@Beds reply within 24h.

Hello, 

Thanks for the scam report, he has no valid ground to accuse us of a scamming him for an FTID. We all know what an "FTID" stands for "Fake tracking ID" It doesn't necessarily mean that Amazon receives the package as there are many different FTID methods, one where the package gets lost in transit, one where the package shows as delivered but never arrives at the return centre, then there is one where a package is sent to Amazon but it's empty or filled with any sort of material to match the weight of the original items. Now we never ever specified to this person which FTID method we will use. We simply told them that we will use the FTID method and they will pay an additional fee for it. Whatever we do with that fee is our choice, we can choose to receive it in our own wallet or if we're using a 3rd party service we can choose to get the funds sent to them directly. And once again we did not specify any FTID method. We simply said "FTID" and keep the methods to ourselves.



Now, this client has already confirmed with their own screenshot that they provided: "Alright thank you. I wondered because I received a refund confirmation for a partial refund (that we agreed on), but on the account, I can see only the full refund process"

Then shortly after that, the client has stated: "It seems that they cancelled the partial refund and await the package to arrive"
And the final message in this screenshot: "Are you able to do something with it or do we need to wait? I don't know what to do honestly"

So from these messages, you can extrapolate whatever opinion you'd like, but to us here are our thoughts on it; First, the client has confirmed that they've received a partial refund as we agreed upon, then the client has confirmed that they've cancelled the refund and now await for the package to arrive, this tells us the refund was unsuccessful and Amazon has seen a red flag and now are checking the package to confirm they've received it and upon verification that the package and the correct item has been returned to them they will reinstate the refund as they first gave the client a refund and confirmed it but then cancelled for whatever suspicion they may have had or unveiled. Now you must understand that an FTID works on the basis of "return" being initiated. You must start a return to then complete an FTID, you cannot simply go to Amazon > orders > and click on "return" item and they will then give you a return label and also send you a refund confirmation along with a refund being shown in your Amazon account, it does not work like that. You initiate a return for whatever order you'd like to "return" and then they supply you with a return label and once you've returned the item and they've gotten some sort of proof of Tracking ID that delivery has been made or if the package has been scanned at the return centre then they will issue a refund, the company isn't handing out refunds without the customer returning the item or giving some sort of proof that the item has been returned e.g. "Fake tracking ID in the form of a tracking link or a screenshot or a tracking number" Or alternatively depending on the FTID method they also issue a refund once the parcel has arrived at the Amazon return centre and it's been scanned. This is what a successful FTID Refund is. Now please elaborate to us, how this client has received a refund confirmation via Amazon in his Amazon mailbox on his Amazon account and also an email to his email address confirming a refund. If we haven't successfully completed the FTID, we must've done something to get Amazon to issue a refund without the client actually returning the item. With Popo and his service, it's our choice to use a 3rd party service is we want, we don't only work with one boxer or service provider and we don't have to work with one. Nor do we have to go ahead with them. We require an FTID fee to be paid to us if the FTID method needs to be used, he has simply paid us for an FTID fee. No FTID was specified as we stated before, no method was disclosed, nothing was given. The transaction was smooth and understood as much as it needed to be from both parties. 

Moving on: Now adding the refund amount as us "scamming" you, first of all, we have never ever stated anywhere that we can 100% guarantee your refund. Not on our thread, not in private messages, and not in any group. You choose to use our service, you make that decision and know the risks. If your refund fails we can emphasise with you, but that does not mean you can call us scammers or accuse us of scamming and try to put your entire order amount on us. Our input on this is clear: You approached us for a refund, we started your order, we charged you for an FTID, we completed the refund and Amazon gave you a refund confirmation via your email and Amazon mailbox, after that our job is done, we charged you for the refund fee once you received a refund confirmation, you yourself are not a child nor an idiot, you shouldn't pay us a refund fee if you haven't received the refund confirmation. 

Now after 3-7 days you did not receive the refund amount to your payment method, you then contacted us and we gave you the exact words to write in your email response so that you do not add anything more or leave anything less out of the email response. You've also proven that with your own screenshot, we gave you a text and instructed you to copy and paste it into the email and send it to them. We assume you did so. 

OUTCOME: the outcome is that Amazon cancelled the refund and let you know that they are going to wait for the package to arrive and confirm it, then they will issue a refund. In other words, the refund is failed. 

Important information: Now you mentioned that "Amazon even opened a police investigation" Now while we handled the order and did everything there was no police investigation, if there was a police investigation at the time I'm sure you would have come running to us and tell us right? But no that confirms there was no police investigation. If the refund fails and you've already paid the refund fee as prior to Amazon cancelling the refund they first issued it and gave you a confirmation, so it was reasonable for all of us to assume that the refund is confirmed if the company confirms it and now its time for you to pay up the fee, which you did. But after 1-2 weeks, they cancelled the refund for whatever reason. And at this point you need to contact us again and tell us the full scope instead of accusing us of scamming you for an FTID worth 20 Euros when we gave 10 Euro back to Popo for no reason it may as well be a donation, if we wanted to scam you so badly for an FTID worth 20 Euro we wouldn't be giving away donations (screenshot below) We do compensate and emphasise with clients, but not if they accuse us straight up and take bad routes. Furthermore, if you'd like us to refund you the refund fee you paid, you need to give us access to your Amazon account or a third party from this site to make sure you haven't interfered with Amazon afterwards yourself, as you were told not to say or do anything on your own. We would give you a refund for the fee which is absolutely reasonable and undeniable if we were unable to refund your item you should not have to pay the fee, but it's also reasonable to make sure that you haven't interfered with the refund or the order in any way as you're stating they started a "police investigation" if the last thing we spoke about was them waiting on the item arriving at their return centre how has the police now been involved? or a Police investigation... We cover our own mess and compensate for our own failures, not yours or your liabilities. 

@Beds I spoke with Popo, you did not send him any money, after making me pay for the boxing service. The way you instructed me clearly assumed that I am paying for Popo's service.
You say I were supposed to contact you. Well, I did, and I didn't hear back from you for 3 weeks. It's been almost 2 months now. The only way to contact you was through this scam report - suddenly you are keen to reply or even give me a refund.

The way you performed the refund was unprofessional, so for me, it is VERY likely that you would scam me for $60. Don't make it sound like a low amount, because it is not.
You GHOSTED me after failing the refund and taking money for it, which should never happen if you were a serious refunder.

I included my BTC address in the main post. I expect a full refund from you @Beds, since you suddenly appear to be alive after 2 months of not responding to me.

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@colan0 any proof that he ghosted you? @Beds why would u ignore your customer?

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@colan0 any proof that he ghosted you? @Beds why would u ignore your customer?

Please look at the dates.
"Do that and we will proceed". After that he did not reply, it was 2 months ago.

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I know I shouldn't post here but @Beds is scammer, he was banned already for 2 weeks for same shit. No refunding service asks money for ftid upfront. If 60 was so low for you, you would have paid it by yourself. He fucked up 2 of my refunds and photoshopped our conversation to Lucas on nulled and was permanently banned there for that. Once again I am sorry to post here but @Teken I think you should know this. Thank you.

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I believe he already knows he is done here